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TamaChat: Should it be closed down?


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Poll: TamaChat: Should it be closed down? (155 member(s) have cast votes)

Should TamaChat be closed down?

  1. Yes (26 votes [16.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.77%

  2. No (129 votes [83.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 83.23%

Do you use TamaChat?

  1. Yes - I am a regular chatter (48 votes [30.97%])

    Percentage of vote: 30.97%

  2. Yes - But only sometimes (74 votes [47.74%])

    Percentage of vote: 47.74%

  3. No - I never go into chat anymore (33 votes [21.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.29%

Have you ever had problems wih other people in TamaChat?

  1. No - The people are usually nice (89 votes [57.42%])

    Percentage of vote: 57.42%

  2. Yes - Sometimes there are mean/rude people in chat (52 votes [33.55%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.55%

  3. Yes - There are usually rude people in chat (14 votes [9.03%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.03%

Is chat the main feature you use on TamaTalk?

  1. Yes - I usually only come to TamaTalk for the chatroom (32 votes [20.65%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.65%

  2. No - I regularly participate in other areas of the site (forums, PMs, etc) (123 votes [79.35%])

    Percentage of vote: 79.35%

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Posted 27 August 2011 - 10:31 AM ( #69 )

My mom banned me from Chat for the exact same reason you're considering removing Chat, Admin - there are not 1 or 2 trolls, but FAR TOO MANY coming on FAR TOO OFTEN! I've known someone to be on chat for 24 hours running. What's more, this person was aged under 20. I really do disagree with people living their lives on Chat, especially teenagers who have EXAMS and HOMEWORK and even worse, adults with FAMILIES!



You're sorta exaggerating a certain few people who look to be on chat for 24 hours running. Actually, some people just leave their computers on chat, or just shut their laptop and forget to shut it down, so it looks like they're on longer than they actually are. Not to mention, I know exactly who you're talking about, and rest assured, I can tell you that he is only on for about 12 hours since I never saw him around in the early/mid morning (Pacific Standard Time) at all, only once, so it clearly means he isn't on for 24 hour hours running.

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Posted 27 August 2011 - 01:08 PM ( #70 )

My mom banned me from Chat for the exact same reason you're considering removing Chat, Admin - there are not 1 or 2 trolls, but FAR TOO MANY coming on FAR TOO OFTEN! I've known someone to be on chat for 24 hours running. What's more, this person was aged under 20. I really do disagree with people living their lives on Chat, especially teenagers who have EXAMS and HOMEWORK and even worse, adults with FAMILIES! No offence, but I really think those people can change and if they're just highly addicted, removing chat would be the best thing. I know most of us here (including me!) are pretty addicted to Tamas but we don't play our Tamas while crossing the road or during a sport do we? No, us Tama addicts have certain No Tama times, but these Chat addicts...DOING 1 THING FOR 24 HOURS RUNNING IS NOT HEALTHY!

As Darth Vader would say, "I find your lack of faith disturbing."

-First of all, it is someone's choice if they stay on Tamachat all the time. If you don't like it, there's really not much you can do about it... :/
-Secondly, making broad generalizations about people is kind of rude, and definitely not respectful to fellow members. You do not know the lives of every individual on here, and many people have different schedules.
-Sometimes, as Runner said, the chat isn't properly closed out which makes the appearance that someone is actually on. Therefore, they're not really on there 24 hours.
-About the trolls-- yes, there are trolls, and they can definitely be rude, unkind, and plain annoying. However, there is also a better way to react than blowing it out of proportion and making the situation worse. Report the member, then leave the chatroom until the proper action is taken. You don't have to stay in a place where people harass you. And sometimes it's better if you don't reply to what they say, and simply ignore them-- all they want is for their victims to react.
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Posted 27 August 2011 - 04:52 PM ( #71 )

GAH... UM. Calm-ith please.

Many users know when to leave and do the stuff they need to. Some like to chat a bit while doing it... Everyone is different... Keep that in mind when you make generalizations about certain people or groups.

As mentioned... Many people do leave chat open, I see it nearly everyday. Not always with the same users either. It could be just when you look it is the same users/people.

For the time-out thing... I think an 30 minute block would be good... maybe 45 minutes because you never know what directly they are doing. They could be eating, homework or just plain something they didn't want to mention.

Edited by SailorRosette, 27 August 2011 - 04:53 PM.


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Posted 28 August 2011 - 03:01 AM ( #72 )

I agree with what Runner said, about how things are dying. School may have started up for the US, but in other places it was already on, and people still find the time to come on chat. It's just school afterall, and not just the US use the site.
It's been dead all day today practically, and the only members who come on are in-active.
I think the chat approval system drives new members particularly away from chat.
I'm hoping this is just a trial run.

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Posted 04 September 2011 - 11:40 AM ( #73 )

So um... Reveiws... Is it working well or not? I'm not sure but I've been curious.......

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Posted 04 September 2011 - 08:13 PM ( #74 )

I would love to hear some reviews as well. I will offer my impressions but would also appreciate some honest answers from everyone.

For me, the approval system enables us to lock people out if we need to (we haven't had to yet) which is a good thing since it addresses a major problem i had with the no approvals required systeml we had before. I think we have done a pretty decent job of approving people quickly as well. I don'mt
Think anyone has waited more than 24 hours (in most cases it is well under 4 hours).

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Posted 08 September 2011 - 12:39 PM ( #75 )

Thanks for all of your hard work Admin (and other TT moderators and guides). I think this approval method is a practical and sensible way to help keep TamaTalk fun and safe. I think most can say that the approval system has been flawless and the wait time has been next to unnoticeable. Given that Admin is able to review a users information before approving them to enter Chat, it helps keep unwanted and unnecessary people from causing disruption in what is supposed to be a fun and enjoyable experience.

While I'm not an avid Chat-goer, I still enjoy popping in once every so often to chat with my fellow TT buddys. I think the approval system has been well thought out and tested thoroughly - so I have nothing but admiration for the help and time that TamaTalk staff have put in to help keep the forums in shape, up-to-date and an overall fun place to hang out.

This may have been suggested before: perhaps to help speed up the approval process on the admin side and to also help a user become more familiar with the site and gain "experience" per se, would it make sense for a user to require a minimum # of posts per account before approval can be set? For example: the user would require at least 10 posts MINIMUM before being approved for chat. When a users requests approval for Chat, TamaTalk staff could then check that users posts to see if it's relevant enough for approval and then move forward. A minimum # of posts required may help the approval process ONLY if the process starts to become overwhelming...just a suggestion for future implementation. The current setup, in my eyes at least, seems to be working just fine!
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Posted 08 September 2011 - 02:25 PM ( #76 )

It seems to me from watching the Chat room list that there have been some pretty regular members in Chat recently - I often see several names from the same group of 5-6 members in there chatting.

True, it is not chock-full of members - but it looks to me like some of the members who like to use it for their RP discussions (for example) and to chat with their other friends (about Tumblr for instance) are making good use of it.


(Just to play "devil's advocate" for a moment... I don't suppose anyone might have considered that it might not be the Entry approval system that is keeping members away from Chat?
Some members just don't like going into Chat rooms where they are constantly put down because of their age or have to deal with swearing or even a "clique" of friends who are not as friendly or welcoming towards newcomers as they could be.)

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Posted 08 September 2011 - 03:23 PM ( #77 )

I do think that the approval system has affected the number of people in the chat somewhat. There have been less people in the chat lately, and I don't think it's down to the time of year or anything else, because that's never made the numbers go this low before. There have been whole hours where I've left the chat open, then come back later and not one person has entered the chat.

I do think that the system's a good idea, it's just made less people come into the chat, partly because some haven't been approved or haven't even posted a topic yet.

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 03:41 PM ( #78 )

I do think that the approval system has affected the number of people in the chat somewhat. There have been less people in the chat lately, and I don't think it's down to the time of year or anything else, because that's never made the numbers go this low before. There have been whole hours where I've left the chat open, then come back later and not one person has entered the chat.


I. Totally. Agree.

Sure, maybe for you people who say you see people normally on there, it looks that way. But maybe for people like me who get on in the afternoon and night Pacific time, I see only like 0-4 people in there at a time. Mostly, none or two people.

Please get rid of this system, Admin, I hate having there be like no people in chat. It's scaring people away from chat and this site (I just posted in a departure topic where the girl was unhappy about the approval thing too). TT has already gone downhill enough, and if you manage to scare everyone away from chat (Which is like one of the main lifebloods of TT), then, well, you'll scare everyone away from here. D:

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 05:42 PM ( #79 )

I appreciate everyone sharing their thoughts on this. I do want to say that I have watched traffic to the site drop at this time of year almost every single year since we have been open. It is a regular pattern of dropping as people start up school )or whatever) again and then it starts going up again soon after. Is this the main reason for chat traffic also being low? No way of knowing. I am curious to know about the approval thing being a reason for people not wanting to be in there... I can not even begin to count the number of times people have PMed me saying they hated going into chat because of some of the behavior/treatment others in chat would unleash at times. Which of any of this is the actual reason for the forever alone in chat feeling? I can only guess since we don't have a way of testing the difference. All I know is that the approval system was the main thing that addressed my concerns over chat. Please remember that the original question was related to closing chat completely. I have a hard time seeing how approvals can be that big of a problem (much less a reason to leave the site!). We have 100+ accounts already approved in just over 3 weeks time (all approved in well under 24 hours).

@Graficks: Thanks for the kind words of support. As far as the idea of post first before being approved goes, this idea was tossed around. The fear was having people post spam topics just to get the minimum required to be approved. I figured we start this out a little more broad and open and then tighten only when necessary.

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 03:09 PM ( #80 )

I hardly see why this would make someone not ant to go into chat. What's so bad about it? Make one topic and let Admin do the rest. That's a pretty suckish reason to not go in, in my opinion.

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 06:22 PM ( #81 )

I hardly see why this would make someone not ant to go into chat. What's so bad about it? Make one topic and let Admin do the rest. That's a pretty suckish reason to not go in, in my opinion.


Well, let's face it, if you were a chatter, you would have to always worry about making one false move, or getting mad and/or saying something bad by accident. One false move, and you're out. It's like that one game, Minesweeper or whatever, when if you accidentally click the wrong mine, you lose the whole game. Nobody wants to go into a chat where it would be so easy to get kicked out forever.

And about people getting mad, some people can't help it. There's members who can be very annoying to the point some people just can't help but explode. Let's face it, in real life, if you were at school and people were being annoying, would you get mad, or would you somehow be all calm? No.

Which is why it's scaring people away. Paranoia isn't fun. Paranoid chat is even less fun.

Sure, there may not always be mods in chat, but as I learned recently, mods can read the backlogs of chat. So, it's extra scary.

Edited by Runner, 14 September 2011 - 06:22 PM.


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Posted 14 September 2011 - 07:31 PM ( #82 )

I can assure you that the intent isn't to remain hovering over anyone who enters chat with our fingers ready to click and remove their access at the slightest hint of a broken rule. I think the Guides and I all understand what online life is like. We know there are trolls... We know there are annoying people... We also know that there are people with nothing but the best intentions who sometimes make mistakes. If anything, I have worked really hard to give people the benefit of second (and sometimes 3rd and 4th) chances because I know what it is like. I think we try to be fair. Now the downside to all this fair ness and chances are people who say 'whatever' and try to wreak havoc anyway. This gives us a tool to block them out. Let's use the school example... Can you imagine how nice it would be if your school was able to lock out the annoying people from the building? I know that my intention isn't to eventually reach a point where everyone is locked out so that the hallways are quiet... That's the last thing I want because it would be self defeating for me to want to clear out people from a site I work hard to keep running for as many people as possible to enjoy. I give you two examples to wrap this up... 1) I think an example of my/our forgiving nature is the person who helped prompt this whole change being approved to enter chat again and 2) We have been running approvals for weeks now and not one person has been kicked out yet 110 people (as of riht now) have been approved to go in. I don't want to make chat a horrible place to be... That is why we need some control over who can enter so that the other chatters and mods know there is a method of doing so.

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 12:06 PM ( #83 )

One of the easiest and simplest ways to make Chat a nice place to visit is to behave nicely towards others - even the annoying ones (they can't report you if you're being nice to them and it annoys the heck out of them without you breaking any rules).

If that really is beyond you, and you are getting mad then just stop responding to someone if they are trying to start a flame war. No one likes attention seekers but if you keep replying to them then you give them all the attention they hoped for.

Like Admin says - it's not one "strike" and you're out. Members get lots of chances to change or learn from mistakes (way more than 4th chances IMO).

Usually we try to moderate by PM and ask why something happened or make suggestions on how to avoid a similar problem occuring.

OK - I will admit that you CAN get kicked straight out if you are going to do something totally lame like post an inappropriate link or post reams of abuse or plain spiteful messages towards members (any members... even ones you find irritating)... that's the kind of behaviour not welcome in Chat.

No one gets kicked out "for no reason" - there's usually some prior behaviour involved - and even if you don't know what it was, the member who was kicked usually knows why (even if they don't want anyone else to know why).

Chat's supposed to be somewhere you can meet friends and make friends without having to worry about being bullied or abused or put down just because you're not the same age as everyone else or interested in the same things as everyone else.

Likewise no one should enter Chat and expect to have everyone stop what they are doing and pay attention to them.

Neither is it reasonable to interrupt a friendly conversation between others to try to take it off topic and onto a subject you want to chat about... nor expect other members to stop what they are chatting about to "teach" you or explain something in detail to you - especially when you can spend a little time reading through previous replies on the board to bring yourself up to speed with what everyone has been chatting about (or use Google to research and read up on something you don't know about...)

Sometimes these things are not obvious - or they have to be learned.
(Like the fact that you should follow the site rules in Chat even when a mod is not there....) ;)

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 08:28 PM ( #84 )

Yeah, okay, I guess maybe I shouldn't be too paranoid. But you know, one of my best friends nearly got kicked from chat (He was lucky Admin was willing to give him one more chance), all because of this annoying person who CONSTANTLY annoyed all of us regular chatters over and over, to the point it was almost like spam (It's hard to ignore people when you're trying to talk with someone and then you get all these messages, or snide remarks) All because my friend got mad at this girl and started fighting with this girl a lot, my friend got reported alot by this girl who purposely continued irking him, and then nearly got kicked from chat forever. This really upset me, since nobody seemed to see that my friend is a nice guy, but like most human beings, is nice only if you don't get on his bad side.

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Posted 16 September 2011 - 07:05 AM ( #85 )

Yeah, okay, I guess maybe I shouldn't be too paranoid. But you know, one of my best friends nearly got kicked from chat (He was lucky Admin was willing to give him one more chance), all because of this annoying person who CONSTANTLY annoyed all of us regular chatters over and over, to the point it was almost like spam (It's hard to ignore people when you're trying to talk with someone and then you get all these messages, or snide remarks) All because my friend got mad at this girl and started fighting with this girl a lot, my friend got reported alot by this girl who purposely continued irking him, and then nearly got kicked from chat forever. This really upset me, since nobody seemed to see that my friend is a nice guy, but like most human beings, is nice only if you don't get on his bad side.


Ah well... that sounds to me like an excellent example of why it's better to ignore someone totally instead of replying to them and giving them attention in a flame war.
Of course it is not easy. But can you see why older, smarter members can help younger, inexperienced ones learn by behaving in a way that shows you can rise above childish behaviour?

As mentioned, no one gets kicked out "for no reason" - there's usually some prior behaviour involved - and even if you don't know the whole story, your friend does (and so do Admin and the TamaTalk staff). ;)