Posted 14 June 2012 - 12:17 AM
A fresh new Tamagotchi toy will do the trick - in my opinion. Including plushes, the anime, and lots of things added with that Tamagotchi Toy. This will bring kids from 6 to get involved in the Tamagotchi Brand (well probably ) For example, look at stuff like Ben 10. There is lunch boxes, Toys, Water Bottles, Plushes, TV Show and much more. The same should be happening for Tamagotchi. I think it will get more popular then. If Bandai did this for other brands - why can't they do it for Tamagotchi?
Posted 14 June 2012 - 12:29 AM
What is this Sync Beatz? Something that joined up with BanDai to change Tamagotchi? I wish BanDai did things with a good heart, made the Tamagotchi anime and plushes and toys just not to make money. We see the fact Tamagotchi is changing beyond all recognition, but they don't care and that's just how companies are.
Posted 14 June 2012 - 12:45 AM
Ya, I get what you are saying Dazz.
I just believe this is to pull in the older fans as well as put Something out for everybody. (Or what they were hoping) I can be pulled both ways though... I'm glad they put something though...
When we were younger, we helped it become a famous name. With the younger people too, you guys helped shape what is now. We together will continue to love our tamas, even if the current release (Or what might come) will be at a down side....
To put... I was 8 when it came out... I don't recall them ever putting out stuff like this... They might have had a shirt or two... but maybe they are filling a gap..... I could just be not remembering the items... I only remember the pet and the plush. (and all the other digital pets out there....)
I really don't think Tamagotchi LIFE will attract older fans who lost interest (although some older fans who are still fans might like it). A few of my older cousins (teenagers/young adults) were Tama fans as kids in 1996, and they would not be drawn back in by Tamagotchi LIFE. BanDai is totally missing the audience that will get properly into Tamas and start collecting - 12 to 18 year olds. 21-29 year old women are generally not into Tamas...they're into make-up and looking nice and possibly getting a job or university or finding a partner. Of course, there are a very few active members of TamaTalk who are young women, but I'm talking about the majority.
My point is, there is the most money to be made out of an actual Tamagotchi toy, and the most money can be made out of teenagers who are already fans. Plus an actual toy is what the teenagers want. So by far the main Tamagotchi fan base (which actually excludes me, I only just turned 11) gets what they want, BanDai or Sync Beatz or whatever gets money, everybody's happy!
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Posted 14 June 2012 - 02:52 AM
I am guessing Tama-go did not sell well (I'm guessing this because I don't think it is a very popular model even among fans, and the toys themselves all ended up on the clearance shelves at Toys R Us), and that due to loss of money on development and production for that toy versus poor sales, they are not going to invest in another Tamagotchi virtual pet for North America at this time. That seems to kind of come naturally after releasing a toy that made you spend upwards of 40 or 50 dollars to unlock even half of it's content (via the figures). If you bought the toy and all figures at full retail price you'd be spending over 100 dollars easily. It was a bad move to make a product that wasn't a stand alone (like tamas have always been) and required additional add ons that cost money. Now they've sunk their own ship and I think they are just beating a dead horse with this new product line. I think it will not be a financial success for them unless you consider how cheaply they are producing this new L.I.F.E stuff versus what they'll probably charge for it.
I'm disappointed, to say the least, but I also didn't have my hopes up about this when I read the announcement. It seemed like this was the direction they were heading already. Time for me to save my money for an ID L and just look out for new Japanese tamas. The ID L may be 60-70 bucks on its own, but all the content is there at least, or you can download additional things at no cost. Not to mention, the toy is better made than the Tama-go. Its screen is in color, has higher resolution, and lights up (a HUGE plus in my eyes, as all my versions are the black screens that are next to impossible to see indoors at night without having all the room lights on). I can't wait till I can afford an ID L.
Edited by ShiningLion, 14 June 2012 - 02:58 AM.
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Posted 14 June 2012 - 10:20 AM
Bandai is a major disappointment to me now, particularly because my favorite Tamagotchi versions are v4 and v4.5....I'd love more versions like that, or releasing of vintage versions but with extra features, like infrared connection and new games and stores and things like that. I really do hope Bandai's L.I.F.E. turns out well, because maybe they'll have enough hope to release a new Tamagotchi, one that didn't go downhill like TamaGo. I think they don't want anything else in America after TamaGo because they thought that TamaGo's flop was due to loss of interest in Tamagotchi fans....they are quite wrong. I would easily shell out $60-80 bucks for a Tamagotchi Color in English....I love those things so much but I'm not buying one just because I don't want to learn what all those messages and things mean. Plus Japanese is confusing because I don't have any motivation to learn it.
Bandai, I salute you for your bravery, mixed with stupidity, which may turn out to be the perfect mix for a good product line.
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Posted 14 June 2012 - 11:11 AM
I won't because I am not in the least surprised that Bandai took this approach with their North American branch of Tamagotchi. After poor sales, lack of interest and advancing technology, it was time for a complete product refresh. (whether we like it or not) I'm not trying to justify their new approach, but given the tech-hungry consumer industry here in North America, I believe a colour screen, feature rich Tamagotchi priced at $60-80 would have done poorly regardless. The toy industry is so radically different here than it is in Japan. In fact, more folks are interested in playing $0.99 cent apps rather than investing larger amounts of $$$ in a quality toy that provides unique gameplay. The toy industry is changing rapidly and I think Bandai found themselves at a crossroads with this brand. "Are North Americans going to eat up another release of a Tamagotchi (let's be honest, the brand was becoming exhausted after the Music Star and TamaGo) or should we approach this differently?"
I don't know who or how Bandai gathered their market research to initiate a re-brand of Tamagotchi in this direction, but it makes sense to me. No, I'm not happy with the direction they're taking, but from a business licensing perspective they need to reinvent themselves to keep current. 20-29 year old females are BIG MONEY spenders. Can they tap in on that audience? I'm not sure. Most companies just "follow the money". Business will be business. (not that I agree with this model or anything)
With all of this speculation aside, I still love Tamagotchi. I love my vintages, my Connection series and my ID L's. I love every one of these little plastic eggs just the same (OK, maybe my white ID L just a little more than the others). And while I'm disappointed that I won't see a new North American release any time soon, I'm going to cherish what I have - because I'm not going to waste my precious time hating on Bandai for making to what I perceive as a mistake. They can go ahead and make girly clothing and bath soap. I'm still going to play and collect my Tamagotchis with the same fuzzy-feeling-excitement I had before this release was made public.
Whatever comes next for the Tamagotchi brand may or may not be great. But what we've got here and now are amazing communities full of life, support and great friends. We don't need a corporation to keep our spirits alive - we do it ourselves!
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Posted 14 June 2012 - 01:52 PM
This incident... Is now starting to remind me of Skylanders.
I used to be a big fan on Spyro games, and I still am... But only the original trilogy. After that, the games just got worse and worse. Then, they release Skylanders. Gameplay-wise, it's completely different to the originals, but it's relatively similar landscape-wise. However, Spyro? He's been reduced to pure ugliness. The shock caused thousands upon thousands of fans to retaliate in agression, sending nasty comments and even death threats to the company working on Skylanders.
Let's not do the same. Don't be agressive about it... If you don't like or want the products, just decide not to buy the products, and we'll see how this goes. If people don't want to buy it, they won't sell it.
OH MY GOSH. THIS. THIS EXACTLY. I won't even go on yet another Spyro rant since it would be off-topic. But I agree.
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 03:16 AM
I have contributed a small amount of times previously in this thread, but I would like to add something else...
Before we judge and criticise Bandai for this new "movement", I think we should be patient and see how this all plays out. Instead of instantly complaining about the clothesline and other branches, let's first see what these products look like and what they offer.
Also, I refuse to sign the petition posted at the top of this page. Perhaps we may not like this direction, but I am sure other people do. We have to have some faith guys! When the colour Tamagotchi model was announced, some people were skeptical, but look at how successful and popular that became!
I have come to the conclusion that what a majority of TamaTalk users need is faith and to trust Bandai with this decision. Only once more photos, footage and reviews come out should we seriously discuss this line.
Edited by joshnemo, 15 June 2012 - 03:17 AM.
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 11:06 AM
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 03:33 PM
Yes. I agree plenty!
Another thing, to bash a item you haven't seen yet... Or heard much about yet is pretty bold to me.
Given, once we all had our claws on the tamago... Some love it, some could take it or leave it, while others complained about it.
My opinion is many of us were clawing, yes clawing, to get our paws/hands on anything new tamagotchi. With the thought they failed with the tamago, and possibly the music star to some extent.... They are probably taking a step back. Give them time guys. The new items are probably a secret way of saying "We hear you!" yes, the dude said adult females.... But that was only a short clip, there has to be more. Like an adult will fit in furniture rumored.... Im sure they will have plenty for the younger crowd.
I am taking a big guess for a few things... But I will hold off until we have more spoilers, pictures and more lenthy script...
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 05:34 PM
As for the whole app thing, I'm really against that. I don't have a smart phone. A Tamagotchi app would be okay, I guess. But these days it seems like there's an app for everything. Ooh look, an app for ordering pizza. And then there's that new Apple iPhone that talks. In my opinion, that's a little creepy. But still, people are telling their phones to remind them about things. Can people use their brains anymore? It seems like people can't do a simple task without using some type of technology. But back to the point, I personally think of my Tamagotchis as my pets. And this is like using an app to feed your cat or dog.
Lastly, the vintage idea. I am a fan of a lot of stuff from the 1990s. I listen to the Beatles, the B-52's, Weird Al, R.E.M., The Kinks, The Who, and other stuff. I watch Looney Tunes, Animaniacs, and Sailor Moon. Basically, I'm pretty old school. I like a vintage idea, but it would be nice to actually have something that would fit me.
That's my opinion. :/
Posted 15 June 2012 - 06:18 PM
I didn't have my hopes up before. Now I REALLY don't have my hopes up. 21-29 women. Seriously. In my opinion, I don't think that half of those people are actually going to remember it unless they're real fans. The rest would just look at one of those products and go, "Oh, that reminds me of some little toy my parents bought me for Christmas one year. Wonder what happened to it... oh yeah, I sold it at a garage sale."
I agree with this completely CheesyNoodleTama. I was thinking that myself. I don't think the majority of women in that age group will remember Tamagotchi and see a t-shirt and want one, especially if you consider that during the virtual pet craze there was a HUGE diversity of virtual pets and Tamagotchis were not particularly an overwhelming presence in the virtual pet scene. In my middle school in 6th grade, EVERYONE had a virtual pet, but only a few people I knew had Tamagotchis. The majority of people had a Nano Pet/Baby, a Giga Pet, Digimon, or one of hundreds of various cheap off-brands that were sold by the bushel at mall kiosks.
While I do agree that 20-29 year old women is a big money spending group, I do not think this helps the LIFE product line. 20-29 year old women spend their money on clothing, cars, food, cosmetics, rent, phones, BILLS, school, marriage, children, houses, family. They are not as big a spending influence on the toy industry as teenage girls, unless they are buying toys for their own kids. I've read before that teenage girls are a target for so much merchandise these days because they have the most expendable income of any demographic. Teenage girls don't tend to have bills to pay or have to pay for their own living or food expenses, so most of the money they earn can be totally splurged. Targeting to that demographic would at least be a wiser move for Tamagotchi LIFE.
Also, I want to say to some people on this thread, it's not fair to tell others how they should feel about something. It's not fair to say people are just complaining and should have more faith in Bandai. Some people want to be optimistic. Others would rather not get their hopes up, and later they can be pleasantly surprised if things do turn out better, but they'd rather not be more disappointed by hoping for or expecting something better in case nothing better comes. I am one of those in that group, and I can't stand when people think that the complaints we have are inappropriate or pessimistic. Complaints are just verbalized concerns. They aren't a bad thing. We couldn't have helpful conversation about the future of our beloved Tama franchise without people criticizing Bandai for their poor decisions. I'm not gonna tell the people who do have hope in LIFE being a kick-starter to the franchise that they shouldn't get their hopes up. Everyone has their own feelings on the matter.
I honestly don't see this as a boon to the series though. Go to your local Wal-Mart or Target and look at the folded t-shirt section. You will see a variety of vintage, beloved characters there that are on t-shirts because people remember them fondly, but you'll be hard pressed to find other merchandise of a lot of them. You aren't gonna see a new wave of Fraggle Rock toys just because people remember it fondly enough to want a t-shirt of it, and similarly, I don't think Tamagotchi had the kind of presence here in the US to inspire a resurgence of interest based on a daily-needs product line. There wasn't an anime series here or any forms of media entertainment to really popularize the franchise widely in the US when it was first successful. That stuff was all developed much later, after the virtual pet craze, and stuck with the dedicated Tamagotchi fan base, more than it roped in new customers.
I agree that Americans are more interested in an app that's a few bucks than a fully-fledged well developed toy that is 60 bucks. In that price range, you're more likely to see interest in video game sales, or larger toys like RC cars and playhouses and stuff. I hate to say it, but I think Tamagotchi is going to die out in the US and I think this is their last attempt at milking some money out of it before the public at large completely forgets what it is. Will people see the new Tamagotchi LIFE products and immediately recognize them? No, I don't think so. I think for the most part women 20-29 will look at it and say "What the heck is this little weird thing in the bath aisle?" They'll read the tag and go "Oh, it's a tamagotchi! I remember those. That's cute, but I'm not paying 4 dollars extra for lower quality soap just because it comes in a bottle shaped like a weird little green duck." Does it have Vitamin E and moisturizers, or exfoliating beads? Is it all natural? Is it affordable? That's the kind of things 20-29 year old women look for in bath products. Character themed ones would attract the attention of children, rather.The t-shirts might get some sales, but I think that all the novelty products will mostly see sales to the existing fan-base, which I think is dwindling more and more with each of Bandai's poor decisions and lack of faith in its fan base to respond well to a new virtual pet toy. If anyone needs to show more faith here, it should be Bandai to their fans. Give the most interested tamagotchi fans what they really want, a new Tamagotchi. Not some tamagotchi-branded daily products with a jacked up price.
I honestly think the idea of the LIFE products would do increasingly well if they were releasing a new Tamagotchi or re-releasing some older versions simultaneously, because the people who would spend money to buy a Tamagotchi shirt out of nostalgia would probably think "man, I wonder if those are still around?" and go check the toy aisle for them. You can't really create a franchise that isn't centered around a form of media entertainment these days. The Tamagotchi characters will not work on their own. There needs to be a game, a show, a movie, a new virtual pet, or something to be the centerpiece for the franchise that all the other goods sort of spawn off of.
Edited by ShiningLion, 15 June 2012 - 08:27 PM.
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 08:09 PM
Then wait, if they would be using this to fund a new tamagotchi version, then why is it vintage tamagotchi based?
I've had a thought about this that I wanted to share. This could very well be a way to raise funds for a new Tamagotchi. Maybe Bandai doesn't have the trust to see if another Tamagotchi will be a success and won't allow people working with the Tamagotchi line to have enough money for a new Tamagotchi virtual pet product. This could very well be a way to get enough money for the people working with Tamagotchi to release another one! This is all speculation, however. We don't have any idea what could come out of this yet
Posted 15 June 2012 - 09:36 PM
Posted 16 June 2012 - 12:45 AM
And Japan should let the USA and other countries in on it so we don't have to pay $60 just for a Tamagotchi; we need reasonable prices!
We are currently not aware on how much these products will cost. We will find out soon though!
Posted 16 June 2012 - 02:28 AM