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  1. hwd45

    ROM Versions

    As you might know, when performing a ROM Test on one of the connection-era Tamagotchis you're briefly shown a number representing some sort of ROM version for your Tamagotchi. I'm really into things like game development and version differences so naturally hearing that there were a bunch of different version numbers for Tamagotchi versions from a decade ago really piqued my interest - I figured maybe this would help me figure out why there were some more subtle differences between different Tamagotchi versions, too, like how some Tamagotchi models call that one item "Love Potion" while others call it "Honey". This motivated me to try and document the different ROM versions and how they might affect the gameplay, and try to understand the numbering conventions used in this process, too. I've done a bit of digging and this a list of the version numbers I've found so far: V1: 2.0, 2.1, 4.2, A4 V2: 4.2, A3, A4, A5 V3: A3 0, A3 2 V4: A4.2U, A4.3E, A4.5E V4.5: A4.5-3E V5: 34.1 V6: 6.0 00 32.0 0, 6.0 01 32.0 0 V7: 7.0 01 32.0 V8: 8.0 00 I obviously can't ask others to perform a ROM Test for the sake of research since it resets the Tamagotchi's data, but if anyone else has ROM tested one of their Tamagotchis in the past and you remember anything about the Tamagotchi's version number I'd love to hear more about it. Ideally, if you can also recall the model version (i.e. V1, V2, V3 etc.), shell design (the differences might relate to the different waves that were released), the region (USA / Europe / Asia-Pacific / Japan) and any other version differences (like changed item names such as Tools / Bubbles, Hair Gel / Hair Potion, Honey / Love Potion, Stuffed Animal / Costume) then that'd be really helpful to me! I'm also looking into the ROM versions of other Tamagotchis not listed above since I figure they probably use similar conventions (V5.5, V9, Plus, Keitai, Akai, Entama, Uratama, Oden-Kun, Hanerutchi 1/2). If you don't have anything to add that's obviously fine - I just hope others find this to be an interesting topic, too! Thanks in advance!
  2. hwd45

    ROM Versions

    I feel like I've heard somewhere before that that's the case. I had a bit of trouble ROM testing my Entama too, it took a few attempts before I got what I was looking for. I guess that's something to test out.
  3. hwd45

    ROM Versions

    I've sunk pretty deep into researching stuff from Spyro 3 to put on TCRF and I've ended up losing hundreds and hundreds of hours to it. It's just so deeply enthralling and interesting. I love being able to share the findings I come across with people, too! Another ROM version update, courtesy of rjalda100: the Hanerutchi 1 has a ROM version of 8.0. I assume this was the only ROM version associated with this release.
  4. hwd45

    ROM Versions

    It took me a few attempts tbh, it's pretty tricky. Just make sure you're holding down all three buttons for a little while before and after pressing reset, and it should bring up a black screen. Press A, B, C and then A again and it should bring up the version number.
  5. hwd45

    ROM Versions

    If you wouldn't mind ROM Testing it then I'd be really interested in seeing the results! Keep in mind that you'll lose all your progress though.
  6. hwd45

    ROM Versions

    They seem to be really rare too! I really don't know that many people that own a V2 like this. Adding to the list of ROM versions, the Entama I received today is version 14.1. Not a CYOI Change one though, just a regular Entama.
  7. hwd45

    ROM Versions

    I feel like the V1 regional differences are the result of poor wording or mistranslation or something. "Style" is such an unusual phrase to use as a substitute for "gender", and "Gene." is a really weird way to abbreviate the word. There's other unusual wording choices, too, and considering the fact that US ROMs are later than the rest (those are the version numbers 4.0 and 4.2) and that this wording was what stuck in later versions, it feels like that's even more evidence that it wasn't really a regional choice. Similarly early versions of the V2 have differently named items which arguably sound a lot weirder than their final versions, as far as I know even the international versions were developed in Japan so this could again be due to translation issues. I guess they kept the wording for the region change feature for testing purposes, or something.
  8. hwd45

    ROM Versions

    Yeah, this is a page I've worked on a lot. In fact, I might have even written the bit you're talking about, and I intend on recording the information I find on there when I've collected more data. I think more research needs to be done into the effects of region changing - there are certain changes between the regions which aren't related to the language itself, so finding out if these changes are also affected by the region change feature will be interesting!
  9. hwd45

    V4 generator in 2019?

    Dumping the V4's ROM could provide insights, though actually dumping it is not an easy task. So far I've only ever heard of the Tama-Go and the Friends having their ROMs dumped. And even then, if the ROM was dumped, it'd probably still be incredibly tricky to figure out anything about the password system. I wouldn't get my hopes up too high.
  10. hwd45

    ROM Versions

    Hi RJ! I'm the person from the Discord server that was asking about your V2. Thanks for the additional information - if you find any more differences then I'd love to hear them (you can just message me on Discord if it's easier). If you ever happen to lose your progress on it and you feel like doing a ROM test, or if you get a new V2 and you wanna ROM test it before running, I'd love to hear the results!
  11. hwd45

    ROM Versions

    This is really helpful, thanks! I don't think I've ever actually seen a V2 ROM test in action before, because I didn't realise there was meant to be a period between the A and the 5. So far I've only heard written accounts of the tests. Makes me suspect that perhaps A5 was the European release, A4 was the later American release and A3 was the earlier American release with different item names. Maybe there's more versions too, and more differences, perhaps? I guess we'll see! Also pretty interested in the A4.5 E. There's an A4.3 E too which is also a European version - there's got to be differences between those versions, but I've no idea what they are. Perhaps it's just bug fixes?
  12. hwd45

    ROM Versions

    I'm actually a pretty avid video game prototype researcher (Spyro 3's my game of choice, I've spent probably thousands of hours documenting it at this point lmao), but I had no idea prototype Tamagotchis were given out in the 90s! I have seen some images of prototype models though, but I'm not exactly sure where they came from. I really hope efforts have been made to preserve those builds and we can see more of them in the future. Sometimes these things get destroyed to avoid leaks, so I really hope this isn't one of those times. I do remember someone claiming to have a Music Star World Tour Edition prototype back in 2010 but considering they never showed anything of it and Bandai claimed to have never even started production on that version, it feels like a "my dad works at Bandai" situation. Still though, it'd be cool if the design documents and any prototype versions they might have made for this version eventually surface. I suppose after the Spaceworld 97 leak, pretty much anything can happen. I'm glad you're enjoying it! Performing a ROM test counts as resetting the Tamagotchi, so if you decide to do it you'll lose any progress you've made. To perform a ROM test, the A, B and C buttons need to be held down, and while they're held down the reset button needs to be pressed. The first part of the process is a screen test - this tests all the pixels are working, and pressing the buttons will alternate between different pixels being displayed. After this, the ROM version will be displayed on screen. It'll say something like "VER: A4". Then the words "ROM TEST" will display on screen and it'll start checking the ROM for any errors, and then there's a connection test too. The only part of this process that's important to me is the ROM version, since the rest is just about what faults the individual Tamagotchi might have. As for other things to look out for, first and foremost I'd like to know the region and shell design of the Tamagotchi. This is to help track if different versions were released in different waves, and to see what regional differences there are. I think you mentioned both of yours were UK versions, though sometimes US versions were released in the UK so I guess the date format should probably be checked just to be sure. If I recall correctly, there was also an incident when the Music Star released in the US where they accidentally packaged the US shells with the European ROMs and they ended up displaying the wrong date format, so I guess even things like regions aren't quite so cut and dry. As for other things I'm looking for, I'm mostly looking for any other general differences you might have noticed. It's hard to pin point exactly what these are when the differences might be subtle - for example, the V4 released in several waves to fix some of the bugs present in the earlier releases. How do you track something like this? For all you know, your not-glitchy model might have been one with the glitches present but you just never ran into any. The glitches are the only version difference I'm aware of on the V4, though I think - and I might be thinking of the wrong V3 - that in some versions, the food menu wouldn't display item names, and sometimes it would. So I guess whether the food items have names is one thing to look out for. V2 has some more obvious differences. I think the food names thing I mentioned is also present on the V2 in the treat menu, for starters. But also, a few of the items changed names completely between different builds - costume became stuffed animal, diet soda became soda, bubbles became tools, hair potion became hair gel, love potion became honey, that sort of thing. There might be more that I haven't noticed, but those are the ones I know about, so if you could find out he names for any of those items it'd be really useful too! I feel like there's probably a bunch of differences nobody's ever really noticed yet, too - most people only have one or two of each version, so there's probably been plenty of instances of subtle changes that nobody ever really talked about because they don't have anything to compare it to. Like, apparently the time at which a V1's age increases is different between different versions of the device, idk how anyone managed to find that out haha. Hopefully we can discover some of those differences!
  13. hwd45

    ROM Versions

    A few small updates: Firstly, it turns out some Ketais have the ROM version 6.1. I haven't found much else about ROM versions and version differences in Japanese models, so any help with those would be greatly appreciated. It looks like the Japanese models might have continued using the numbered version notation the Plus / V1 used: Plus / V1: 0.0, 2.0, 2.1, 4.0, 4.2 Keitai: 6.1 Famitama / V5: 34.1 I guess we'll see if the pattern continues as we collect more version numbers. Another thing I thought it might be insightful to mention is the prototype version of the Tama-Go: If you were around for the build up to Tama-Go's release you might remember that the shell designs completely changed. Firstly, the shells seen here used a more of a matte colouring scheme than the glossy shells we got in the final version. The faceplates were entirely different (I think I prefer these faceplates), the bases of the figures shown are more translucent than the final design of the lite figures, the packaging is a little different and it looks like the IR slot is transparent here (the three Tama-gos which aren't in use have completely opaque IR slots, I think they might just be mock-up models though. The pink one also seems to be missing part of its top). Even the figures got prototype models! Gorippatchi never got her own figure. I wonder if this one is a functional figure, or just another mock-up? We'll see in a bit that it's probably the latter. There's also another image of a Mamametchi figure, which also never got released. Memetchi's seen here again, but with a different design to the one in the previous image. I don't think this figure design was ever released. This last image is of particular interest to me. First and foremost, we can see that despite the figure clearly being on, the device has other ideas. In a video of the event we also see that no "Welcome!" image comes up when the figure is placed on the Tamagotchi. I guess that either confirms the figures being mock-ups or the device still not being fully programmed as of yet. You might also notice it says "cartridge" instead of "character". I'm really curious about this - I wonder what other differences this version contained? Do you think these prototype Tama-Go models still exist somewhere in the world? Or, indeed, any other prototype Tamagotchis? If people want, I could continue updating this thread with interesting stuff about version differences as I learn more. That's kind of what this project is, after all - an attempt to document all the different versions that were released.
  14. hwd45

    Any Tamas you waiting for?

    I'm waiting for an Entama to arrive! It's the first Tamagotchi I've bought since 2010 and my first Japanese model.
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    Need help getting sprites for project - V2

    This is a really cool project idea! I really appreciate people who put the work into this kind of thing. I'm wondering if the sprites would've been on the Tama-Go? Natashenka ripped the ROM of the Tama-Go and you can download all its sprites on one of her websites, so the sprites you're looking for might be amongst those - though they might have been updated between V2 and V7 so who knows if they're the sprites you're looking for. Hopefully someone will rip the ROM of a V2 at some point, sometimes glitches can make the wrong sprites appear and a few of the sprites are definitely unused. Seems like the V2 has a bunch of Ticket items that weren't used until the V3 as well as sprites for the Flag game from V3. There's probably more, too.
  16. No problem! I'm sure you'll really enjoy the 4.5, it's a great version.
  17. The 90s devices cannot connect to other devices, they aren't built with the functionality to do so. I'm not sure whether you're trying to be funny or if you're misunderstanding what the OP meant by "connecting".
  18. hwd45

    Tomogatchi Discord Server, where you at?

    I don't know what Tomogatchi is, but if you mean Tamagotchi, there's a collectors' discord which is pretty chill. There's an age restriction of 20+, though. There used to be another discord frequented by a bunch of users on here, but it kinda died after a while, so the owners of the server shut it down. Or at least that's what I've heard, anyway. Bit of a shame really.
  19. No... they can't? The 90s devices can't even connect at all. OP, I'll answer each one of your requirements individually to give you an idea of the range of Tamagotchis there are: The originals only have about 11 characters so I'm guessing you want quite a bit more than that. This condition eliminates pretty much all of the vintage models, except for the Osutchi and Mesutchi, which have quite a few characters. Of the modern releases, here's the ones that have the most characters - though be aware that some of these characters might be inaccessible due to requiring external devices or web services that no longer exist: International releases: V1: 20 characters V2: 51 characters V3: 50 characters V4: 52 characters V4.5: 52 characters V5: 65 characters V5.5: 60 characters Music Star: 40 characters Tama-Go: 36 characters Friends: 36 characters Friends Dream Town: 36 characters Japanese-exclusive releases: Keitai: 23 characters Hanerutchi 1: 21 characters Akai: 23 characters Entama: 56 characters Uratama: 58 characters Hanerutchi 2: 46 characters Oden-Kun: 22 characters Plus Color: 26 characters Hexagontchi: 26 characters iD: 21 characters iDL: 48 characters P's: 42 characters with an additional 54 characters unlocked with pierces (sold separately), I'm not sure if all the additional characters can be raised though 4U: 16 characters and 16 personality stage forms (not sure what these are but they're functionally different characters, I believe) with an additional 32 characters unlocked with downloads and touch cards (sold separately), again I'm not sure if all the additional characters can be raised 4U+: 18 characters and 22 personality stage forms, as well as (I assume) the 32 downloadable characters from 4U M!x: There are 5 different versions of the M!x and they each have 22 characters, plus the ability to "mix" characters together through breeding to get a seemingly endless number of variations Meets: 19 characters as well as the aforementioned mixing mechanic All the Tamagotchis mentioned above can connect to others, as far as I'm aware! There are restrictions though: -Osutchi and Mesutchi can only connect with eachother -The V1, 2, 3, 4 and 4.5 can all connect, though Tamagotchis of different versions connect as though they're V1s which limits the number of things to do -The Japanese version of the V1 - the Plus - can connect with the Keitai and Akai -The V2, 3, 4 and 4.5 can all connect to the Keitai and Akai too -The Keitai, Akai, Entama and Uratama can all connect to eachother -The V5, 5.5, Music Star and Tama-Go can all connect to eachother -The Friends and Dream Town can connect to eachother I'm not sure about how the remaining Japanese models connect to eachother so I think someone with a better understanding of the Japanese models will have to help you there. All the ones above have more to do than the originals! I'll list a few features from each: Vintage releases: Osutchi and Mesutchi: Quite a simple model as far as I know, though there's a complex breeding mechanic where connecting your Tamagotchis gets you different characters. International releases: V1: This one has a two games instead of the one like the originals, and the ability to connect with other Tamagotchis. This also allows Tamagotchis to gift eachother items which they can use. Overall, the number of features is still pretty lacking, though. V2: There's new games, and games now give the player points that they can use in the shop to buy food and items. Relatively limited compared to later releases, but still allows for quite a lot of gameplay time. V3: Lots of new features and items, and a whole bunch of games. A big part of this Tamagotchi was the Tamatown functionality, but since the website shut down nearly 6 years ago this functionality has been inaccessible. You're not missing a whole lot though, honestly, since the souvenirs from Tamatown didn't actually do anything except look nice. V4: Growth is now determined by your Tamagotchi's interests and skills. These skills then go on to influence the job your Tamagotchi gets. There's also a huge variety of games, increased by the range of jobs your Tamagotchi can now engage in. Tamatown functionality is lost once again, but again it's not really a big deal. V4.5: Basically identical to the V4 but with different characters and games. I think getting skill points is easier too now and if I recall correctly the jobs are a bit different? V4 also suffered from some pretty bad glitches which were fixed in the 4.5. V5: Tamagotchis are now put into families - if you've ever wanted to raise more than one Tamagotchi at once, now you can! Though it's functionally identical to raising one. The range of features is pretty limited compared to the V4 though, since there's no job mechanic anymore. I think the range of items was also pretty limited if I recall right, and a lot of the items were only obtainable online, though the passwords are still available online since they don't always rely on a username like before. V5.5: Similar to the V5 again. V5 had some pretty bad glitches if you were unlucky - mine liked to reset itself on occasion - and they were fixed in this iteration. Different characters and games once again. Music Star: Basically the V4 but you can only get one job, a career in music. This isn't too much of a downside though, as there's plenty of fun to be had - more varied gameplay than previous versions, for sure. Easily one of my favourite versions, though a couple of the characters and a few of the items aren't so easily accessible anymore since the shutdown of Tamatown. Tama-Go: Very, very limited, unless you buy the additional figures which clip onto the top and unlock more content. The figures unlock extra games and the ability to buy items, which was removed from this version for some reason. On a more positive note the screen is now a 4-tone greyscale screen instead of the previous monochrome screen, and that allows the player to buy different room designs for their Tamagotchi. Friends: Haven't played it, so I don't know much about it. From the sounds of it though, it's pretty limited, like the Tama-Go. Connection is NFC instead of IR, now. Friends Dream Town: Supposedly an improvement upon the Friends, but still suffers from being relatively limited once again. I don't have any of the Japanese-exclusive releases, but I've listed some of their features here anyway: Keitai: Kinda like the V3 but with more things to do, I think? Hanerutchi 1: It's based off a gameshow or something? So the characters aren't really Tamagotchi characters. I think it's like a Keitai or the Plus / V1 otherwise. Akai: Like the Keitai but the pixels are red and there's different games and characters Entama: Like the V4, but with more to do, I think? Uratama: Like the Entama, but the pixels are blue now. Once again different characters and games, similar to the V4.5. Hanerutchi 2: Another Hanerutchi, but like the Entama, I think? Oden-Kun: Not sure what the functionality is like but it's based off the Oden-kun character. Plus Color: First Tamagotchi with a full colour screen. Hexagontchi: Like Plus Color but with some features related to a gameshow called Hexagon, or something. iD: I think you get the ability to keep your character for as long as you want, or something. I don't know much about this one. iDL: Like the above but... more? P's: Dunno, there's these "pierce" things that you can clip onto the top to unlock more content though. 4U: First Japanese model that used NFC I think. Allows the player to download new content. 4U+: Like the above but more, again, I guess. M!x: Has the aforementioned "Mix" mechanic which allows you to mix two characters together to get something entirely new. Meets: No idea, but I've heard the current release of this version is pretty glitchy. If a Meets sounds like your thing, maybe wait until the next version of the Meets comes out. Apparently carries the same mixing mechanic from the previous version. I think you can also raise twins in this version though I'm not sure if that was in a previous version (aside the V5) too. Generally the Japanese models have more features than the international releases. This is probably the strongest restriction you've given, and it should helpfully make it easier to make a decision. Any of the Japanese models from the Plus Color onwards will probably end up being too expensive for you. Even the Entama can go for $60+ if you're buying new, though it should be within your limits if you're buying used. Seems like the iD / iDL are an exception though, they look like they tend to go for a little cheaper. The vintage Osutchi and Mesutchi should be just within your limits. English models should all be affordable, though be careful not to buy one of the $2 fakes. The Music Star is likely to be a little expensive though some sellers will definitely sell it to you for less than $40. The Tama-Go should be just within your limits though the figures aren't going to be that cheap, and it's not really worth purchasing it without the figures. The Dream Town version might be the hardest to get because it's usually (confusingly) named the "Tamagotchi Friends" and those that know to add the "Dream Town" on the end tend to sell it for quite a bit more. On the other hand the Tamagotchi Friends seems to be one of the cheapest models available, probably because it was a relatively recent release. Hopefully others can fill you in on the information I'm less familiar with. I hope this helps!
  20. hwd45

    ROM Versions

    You're right about the latter difference but the former is incorrect - I had a USA version of the V2 while my brother and sister had European versions, and the item names were consistent between them. It wasn't until someone else showed me their V2 that I noticed the different item names. Regardless, ROM versions differ between regions too, so I intend on tracking how regions affect ROM versions too.
  21. hwd45

    ROM Versions

    It's been a month and I've done a little more research in that time so here's a little update to the list: Plus: 0.0 V1: 2.0, 2.1, 4.0, 4.2 V2: A3, A4, A5 V3: A3 0, A3 2 V4: A4.2U, A4.3E, A4.5E V4.5: A4.5-3E, AUV4.5-.2 V5: 34.1 V6: 6.0 00 32.0 0, 6.0 01 32.0 0 V7: 7.0 01 32.0 V8: 8.0 00 P1(2018): 1 I've removed a couple version numbers from the list that I think were probably errors. Some versions are rarer than others! There's still plenty of research to be done into the different versions and their features, so any help would be appreciated.
  22. hwd45

    Create A Tamagotchi?

    Natalie Silvanovich has done some great work reverse engineering Tamagotchis, but I think that's just about as close as anyone has gotten with regards to the western models. You can see her stuff here: http://natashenka.ca/ https://github.com/natashenka/Tamagotchi-Hack https://www.kwartzlab.ca/author/natalies/ Japanese models tend to be a lot more advanced and some feature downloadable content so in that sense you could create and download your own data to customise your Tamagotchi. An example of how this has been used is Mr Blinky's English patch for the Tamagotchi P's. Mr Blinky has done some other really cool stuff too, including an arduino based Tamagotchi by the looks of it. Check out their stuff here: https://twitter.com/MstrBlinky/with_replies?lang=en https://www.instagram.com/mr.blinky/ http://mrblinky.net/tama/ps/english/ https://github.com/MrBlinky https://www.youtube.com/user/MstrBlinky/featured
  23. This is some excellent work! I never thought to try different language versions of the website to see if they'd been preserved better than the English one had. I'm looking for some lost internet files myself so I can totally relate to the feeling of searching for so long and finding nothing, feeling like you've scoured all corners of the internet. Perhaps it really all is in vain and we've done as much as we can. We'll just have to wait and see what the future holds. At the very least, we can take this opportunity to document what we have and try to understand it all.
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    New Tamagotchi LINE App!

    The app is now available for anyone with LINE Quick Game - you don't need a Japanese phone to use Quick Game, but all the games are in Japanese. I havent been able to use the app much just yet - my Tamagotchi is sleeping so I think it runs according to the Japanese timezone, but from what I can tell it's just a standard Tamagotchi, perhaps with a few additional features.
  25. Here's what I've got so far: For the first three generations I basically only gave it whatever food it was asking for. Gen 1: Futabatchi -> Hoshitchi -> Nikatchi -> Memetchi Gen 2: Futabatchi -> Meganetchi -> Nikatchi -> Memetchi Gen 3: Omututchi -> Hoshitchi -> Mokokotchi -> Sebiretchi Seems like the adult depends on the baby but it's hard to be sure. For the fourth generation I only fed it food I figured would count as unhealthy Gen 4: Omututchi -> Meganetchi -> Mokokotchi -> Kuchipatchi I also downloaded the apk onto my bluestacks a few months back and never really played it except to evolve it a few days ago. Didn't really feed it anything: Futabatchi -> Hoshitchi -> Nikatchi -> Gozarutchi (the secret character!)