Kelly_Clarkson8
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So, where did the whole 'devil worshiping' thing come from?
So, where did the whole 'devil worshiping' thing come from?
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wait, I'm gonna sound like a loser, but let me try to ask something that makes sense...
Can someone please explain to me what Atheist is, if it is not worshiping the devil?
Im soo confusseeeddddd.
EDIT: And Im sure its been said somewhere already, but I don't want to look through 35 pages.
The whole "devil worshipping" accusation was from a Christian boy on the members school bus who thought (incorrectly) that an atheist is a "Satan Worshipper".[SIZE=7pt]^ Oh, I see =]
So, where did the whole 'devil worshiping' thing come from?
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Science and God don't work against each other, you know.Sorry, I'm not a believer. I stick to science.
Um yes they do. Science is the complete opposite of Religion, that's why most scientists are atheists. If you believe that God created the world in the way that science explains it, then, I'm sorry to tell you that you are an atheist. I don't have anything against people who want to believe in god but I have a problem with organised Religion, particularly when people try to convert other people to their religion. This just shows that people don't respect other people's beliefs or when religious people think that religious rules are more important than fundamental human values (example: love, respect for life, respect for diversity, showing a sense of compassion towards other people no matter what). This is what Jesus' teaching were all about, he went against many of the religious rules of his times in order to show people the importance of love and compassion. Also I would like to point out that Religion doesn't have anything to do with values. Atheists can and do have strong moral values. The topics of religion and values don't have anything to do with each other. We would be living in a terrible world if we strictly based our values on what's written in a book (think: witch hunts, the crusades, persecution of homosexuals etc)Science and God don't work against each other, you know.
Woah woah woah - That is such a huge and wrong generalization there! There are MANY Christian scientists and to say that anyone smart and has great interest and knowledge in science - which in essence is what you're saying - is an atheist is totally untrue.Um yes they do. Science is the complete opposite of Religion, that's why most scientists are atheists. If you believe that God created the world in the way that science explains it, then, I'm sorry to tell you that you are an atheist. I don't have anything against people who want to believe in god but I have a problem with organised Religion, particularly when people try to convert other people to their religion. This just shows that people don't respect other people's beliefs or when religious people think that religious rules are more important than fundamental human values (example: love, respect for life, respect for diversity, showing a sense of compassion towards other people no matter what). This is what Jesus' teaching were all about, he went against many of the religious rules of his times in order to show people the importance of love and compassion. Also I would like to point out that Religion doesn't have anything to do with values. Atheists can and do have strong moral values. The topics of religion and values don't have anything to do with each other. We would be living in a terrible world if we strictly based our values on what's written in a book (think: witch hunts, the crusades, persecution of homosexuals etc)
I am an atheist because I refuse to follow a set of rules simply because they are written in the bible. I have strong moral values which i follow, not because i want to please god or because i'm afraid to go hell, but rather because i understand the importance of the values that I follow: because I want this to be a better world and simply believing in God is not going to make that happen.
I respect your beliefs, but I personally think it sounds ridiculous that god created science.Science and God don't work against each other, you know.
I believe that God created Science, just as he created everything else! And I believe it is what he used to create the world, us, etc.
~bratztroxg
I said MOST, not all, scientists are atheists. Although it strikes me as quite odd when I hear about religious scientists. And I still stand by what I said: Science and religion are complete opposites. Religion is based on Faith (believing without reason, rationalization and proof) while scientific knowledge is strictly based on hard solid proof and results of numerous experiments.There are MANY Christian scientists and to say that anyone smart and has great interest and knowledge in science - which in essence is what you're saying - is an atheist is totally untrue.
Where do you get this information saying that 'most' are atheists? I can say there are many religious ones based on fact but to say most are this or that is a very bold statement that really can't be backed up.I said MOST, not all, scientists are atheists. Although it strikes me as quite odd when I hear about religious scientists. And I still stand by what I said: Science and religion are complete opposites. Religion is based on Faith (believing without reason, rationalization and proof) while scientific knowledge is strictly based on hard solid proof and results of numerous experiments.
It's true that there are many things that science has not yet explained, but just because science cannot prove something doesn't mean that god exists.
All religions are about following rules. It's true that many of these rules are important for a society to function properly (example: don't steal, don't kill anyone etc). But when these are put into a religious context, that's all they will ever be: rules. They aren't real moral values because people feel that they need to follow these rules so as not to go to hell or to prison...what kind of values are those? Like I said, real moral values are based on love and compassion and not on the bible. The bible says that it's ok to have slaves, would you follow that rule?
As I've stated somewhere in this topic before, I'm agnostic, which in basic terms means I believe in a higher power/being/whatever is out there (I don't doubt that since we can't be the most powerful beings around)...but who the higher power is or what it is...is something I will find out when it's my time to cross over from the living. When it's my time to find out, I'll find out, but I can not conclude who or what the higher power is until then.I have a bad feeling about all this. I most deffinetly DO believe in God, and heaven, I'm just not ALL Christian. The bible is to be learned from, not worshipped. And if we didn't go to heaven, where else would we go? (Not talking about down there) And for those of you who have to see it to believe it, well you can't see it untill you believe it! Those people frustrate me.
I was mostly referring to these verses:If you were talking about another verse, I'd love to discuss it
and this:However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
The first verse is practically saying that people were allowed to buy slaves and the children of the slaves were the property of the buyer...it doesn't look like there was much choice for the slaves doesn't it? The second verse goes into some silly technicalities, and practically states that it's totally fine if you kill your slave by beating him/her. I don't see any of the free will you were talking about.When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NA
Well there you go, I couldn't have said it better myself. The bible was written thousands of years ago and the world has changed so much since then...so why do people even try to apply the rules written in an old book to our modern society? That sounds like disaster to me.AND, when Jesus was speaking about how to treat eachother, he couldn't just come in and say "OKAY, NO MORE SLAVERY" because what a culture shock!
Well in America people are afraid to say that they're atheists because they would be practically committing social suicide, but in Europe, where Religion is not given so much importance, practically all Scientists are atheists simply because, as I've already said, Religion is the total opposite of science. Religion tells you to believe in things without questioning them, science is all about proof. I live in Europe and over here its a known fact that most Scientists are Atheists.Where do you get this information saying that 'most' are atheists? I can say there are many religious ones based on fact but to say most are this or that is a very bold statement that really can't be backed up.
So practically you're saying that only christians are able to do real good because they love god? Are you saying that if our good deeds are not motivated by god then those good deeds aren't really good deeds? And if this is not what you are saying doesn't this prove that religion is completely irrelevant to real human values and ergo people don't need religion to be good? I consider myself a good person but i don't believe in god.obviously if we become a Christian we should strive to do good because we love God
DisagreedUm yes they do. Science is the complete opposite of Religion, that's why most scientists are atheists. If you believe that God created the world in the way that science explains it, then, I'm sorry to tell you that you are an atheist. I don't have anything against people who want to believe in god but I have a problem with organised Religion, particularly when people try to convert other people to their religion. This just shows that people don't respect other people's beliefs or when religious people think that religious rules are more important than fundamental human values (example: love, respect for life, respect for diversity, showing a sense of compassion towards other people no matter what). This is what Jesus' teaching were all about, he went against many of the religious rules of his times in order to show people the importance of love and compassion. Also I would like to point out that Religion doesn't have anything to do with values. Atheists can and do have strong moral values. The topics of religion and values don't have anything to do with each other. We would be living in a terrible world if we strictly based our values on what's written in a book (think: witch hunts, the crusades, persecution of homosexuals etc)
I am an atheist because I refuse to follow a set of rules simply because they are written in the bible. I have strong moral values which i follow, not because i want to please god or because i'm afraid to go hell, but rather because i understand the importance of the values that I follow: because I want this to be a better world and simply believing in God is not going to make that happen.
I would like to see the exact quoted verse from the Bible where you got that from, please. Where in the Bible does it give all Christians the "thumbs-up" to slavery? Or do you have no proof to back this up?The bible says that it's ok to have slaves, would you follow that rule?
He already posted the verse in his previous post.I would like to see the exact quoted verse from the Bible where you got that from, please. Where in the Bible does it give all Christians the "thumbs-up" to slavery? Or do you have no proof to back this up?
~bratztroxg
How exactly can religion explain science? Please tell me because you have stated this more than once but never really explained how religion can explain science...there i was thinking that scientific experiments defined scientific knowledge and not fairy-tales written in old books.Science is NOT the opposite of religion. Religion works many times out of Science, but it can work with it too, and religion can help explain it.
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